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Hawk Talk
Spring Sports, NIL, and a 5-Headed Goat?!
Spring sports are rolling, and South River’s teams are coming in hot. AD David Klingel drops by to talk baseball, softball, lacrosse domination, and why eight percent of the school is now running track. We relive the epic girls’ basketball title run (spoiler: five buses of screaming students helped), debate Duke’s chances in March Madness, and wonder if NIL has turned college sports into the Wild West. Oh—and yes, there’s a five-headed goat. Don’t ask, just listen.
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All right, welcome back to the Hawk Nation. I'm.
Speaker 2:Tom Frank, I'm Grayson Frank and I'm G McDuffie.
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Speaker 1:Normally, you know, we're well underway in spring sports. We have not had a chance to officially kick off with our athletic director, David Klingel, because we had a lot going on in the winter and I haven't talked to you since this.
Speaker 4:No, a ton it's. You know it was. I felt like I was neglecting my spring sports because the winter sports were doing so well. Yeah, but that's a good problem to have and they'll have their time coming up in April and May to shine themselves. But we had a great winter season, obviously, and a lot to celebrate and a lot to look back and just you know, the memories are awesome, yeah.
Speaker 4:And I need to say this to you on behalf of all Seahawks Brilliant idea to load up five buses full of kids and bring them to that game. I think it just made a huge impact. Actually, probably about 14 years I worked in a media room and I I knew a lot of stuff to tell them as far as what to expect. Uh, just like little things that you don't like. We prepared by going, like reading the starting lineup in here, showing them how to line up all that kind of stuff, things that you, you don't want to be overwhelmed about and thinking about when you go there, because it's uh, it's an overwhelming place to go into the first time. But then to, uh, I was back in the tunnel with them and then, when they can look up, and they actually saw the group of students like in the uh up in the upper section before they can come down in the game before it was uh, it was a cool feeling to see them, see how excited they they were, but it also gave them a little bit.
Speaker 4:Somebody's got our back tonight and let's roll, and you know it took them a while, but like I think I was listening to your podcast while I was in Florida and you know Zivic, a lot more confident than I am just saying they're going to break, they're going to break, they're going to break. And he was right, they did. Just saying they're going to break, they're going to break, they're going to break. And he was right, they did. And you know our depth and just the ability to roll eight players at their five that night was, you know, was a difference.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a lot, plus all the kids in the stands, it was more than it was eight eight plus all the all the girls that were, you know, on the team and then, you know, then we had probably about you know, a thousand people in the stands that were, you know, had their backs as well. So it was a good, great night, great for the school. And obviously, you know, winning, you know you never want to go to that game and lose yeah, because you never know when you're going to get back. And you always got to win that one, yeah, and we've been pretty successful in win and you know they did it that night, which was awesome.
Speaker 1:So we're going to have a big banner go up. When's the banner go up?
Speaker 4:So we're going to, you know, we're going to put it up. I think we're looking at next year's schedule because I want to do it when the girls are like from college, because all of them I mean we had nine seniors we have a home game December 18th, I believe, which a lot of them will be home, uh and uh, you know, we'll try to do it that night where we kind of unveiled the banner, introduced them. Uh, we're going to honor them at the lacrosse game this Friday night. Uh, at halftime of the boys game, uh against Broadneck. Uh, I always like to do those against Broadneck and Smyrna Park to uh make sure they know that we won a state championship. But you know it's great competition in the county. But from them provides, you know, great, you know, the ability to perform under circumstances like we did. So iron sharpens iron and that's how we kind of view our opponents. I like that. It's December 18th, but we'll honor them this week at the lacrosse game.
Speaker 1:On this.
Speaker 4:Friday night, this Friday night, yep, big one against Broadneck. Yeah, we got to beat Broadneck.
Speaker 1:Always Got to, always All right. So we're going to dive in on spring sports, although I do want to add another thing. The new website is up. It is Very impressive.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I had nothing to do with it. It's uh just getting used to some of the new things with it, but uh I like the calendar.
Speaker 1:Everything's everything looks good, so it looks good, have you guys seen the new website.
Speaker 2:I have a little idea.
Speaker 1:I have not all right, they're not the best co-hosts in the world for nothing. Right there, we're gonna go through all of our teams, gotcha. Feel free to add in some commentary. You guys have some inside perspective on some of these teams. Where do you want to start?
Speaker 4:I'll let you choose geez we can start with. We'll start with my favorite sport. Do you guys know what that is? Baseball? Baseball. It's just got back from a nice five-day trip to Florida to watch my Phillies. I got the computer here telling me what they're doing right now. Not many people know they play 162 in baseball and part of my goal is to watch at least part of each one of those 162. Because you know, what I love about baseball is it's every day and it's you know, you got to be consistent and that's the you know reason I played, I love baseball, I played baseball and that was my favorite sport. So, talking about the Seahawks, I think we're 3-1 now, 3-1. 3-1. We had a nice extra inning win last week against Southern, or Harwood as Coach Hall likes to call them, harwood, and you know we were. I mean kind of a story about the early spring. We've been sick like as far as like illness, with our teams Whole as far as illness with our teams.
Speaker 4:Whole school, really Whole school. Yeah, it's been going around and baseball was. You know. I know we were down a couple starters the other day. I know Lutterby was out at second base, you know Jonah filled in at third and we have a freshman, gavin Kuntz. That's stepped up big time. Now, you know I don't like to, you know, give freshmen. You give freshmen too many props, but that kid's going to be a player. Just watching him play, his mannerisms, his ability to move around. Then his older brother, preston on the Hill, started that game for us. We've got a good group. Coach Harris does a great job with them.
Speaker 4:Nolan Hooker, starting shortstop, got some good news. He had an elbow issue in the offseason. I think all the tests have come back where he's healthy. And just to have him in the lineup he usually pitched for us, but just to have him in the lineup, the ability to play shortstop for us, it opens up a lot of things for Coach Harris and his ability to move around the lineup and Nolan can hit. And Deshaun Branch leading off. He pulled his hammy the other day running the first late in the game but hopefully he's okay because that guy can hit. So yeah, we're going to be right in it. Give teams the run for their money, and the thing about baseball in our county is that we have a lot of good teams in our region with Decatur and JM Bennett. There are no easy days for us, so you know they'll be right in it, though I think that this group's got a lot of promise and potential.
Speaker 1:And we got Meade today at home.
Speaker 4:Hopefully. Yeah, we're dodging lightning and hopefully rain and you know, hopefully we get it in by. You know, get it in by 7 o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1:And then we're on the road versus North County on Wednesday and then back home against a Rundle.
Speaker 4:Rundle big one on Friday. They get to play a Joe Cannon on the turf on Wednesday night against North County. You know, yeah, they're, you know baseball. What I love about baseball, too, is like we lost a tough one to Northeast on Tuesday last week, but you get to come back right into the next day, right and you know, and, for instance, like chesapeake lost to us, they come back the next day. Baseball is a game where and you watch a lot of it that the best team doesn't always win. It's the team that has the best day over the course of the the season, the better teams but, you can get beat by the worst team.
Speaker 4:Uh, that that can't happen in a lot of sports. It's based on pitching. You know being fundamentally sound and you know doing all those good things. It's a thinking man's game and I'm not a thinking man, but that's why I love it.
Speaker 1:So that's our baseball team right there. Well, we got to talk about softball.
Speaker 4:Softball again. Softball is one of my favorite sports to watch here. It's a quick pace. I like our team a lot. I want they beat chesapeake last. Uh, last, uh, I think it was wednesday three to two. Um got a good group of seniors uh. Katherine lippincott, cj harris. Uh, hannah grambo. Uh, cj and hannah have been on the varsity for four years. Uh, they were part of the region championship team four years ago. And then they've got a good group of young kids Avery Ford behind the plate, addy Binko pitching Avery, I'm sorry. Ava Zimmerman playing first base, callum Morano at short. And then they got three freshmen that are going to help them out right now. Kendall Killman will see some time at third, I believe, and then the two corner outfielders, jalen Elliott and then Sloane Kelly, whose sister plays volleyball for us. She's going to be another good one. Like I said, freshmen They've got some good young freshmen.
Speaker 4:And that's a good problem to have right, because you got them for four years and they're going to be a problem for other teams for four years.
Speaker 1:And they started off at 3-2. 3-2.
Speaker 4:And then they should win today against Meade North County and then Arundel on Friday at home will be a big one for them. That's usually a tough game and I think we're ready for it.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 4:Where do you want to do boys or?
Speaker 1:girls.
Speaker 4:Let's start with the girls okay, girls, they're three and, oh, right now, undefeated. Uh, you know, they were in a weird spot early in the season because, uh, three of their players, uh, played basketball, oh so, and they were practicing up until saint patrick's day, which was the first day they came out. They couldn't do seven on seven because they didn't have enough players. So, yeah, it made it a tough kind of coaching transition, but I also think that is going to help them in the long run, because the three people they got Adela, who's going to Campbell, claire, who's going to High Point, and then they picked up Reagan Ogle, who's playing for the first time in high school that can only make them stronger.
Speaker 4:And then the girls that were playing the first, you know, two weeks of the season they got to be dependent on more than they might've would, maybe, would have if those girls were around, uh, watching them. Last week they beat Mount Hebron for the first time, uh, I think at three or four years we've lost to them by one goal. Uh, for the first time, I think, in three or four years, we've lost to them by one goal three years in a row, and then we beat them by one goal in overtime. And what was satisfying about that is and, like I said, reagan hasn't played a lot of lacrosse. You know she hadn't played for all four years. And the first practice, you know, annie came to me and was like I don't know where I'm going to put her and I just said to her I was like you'll find a place, yeah.
Speaker 4:You know she's an athlete, you'll find a place.
Speaker 4:You know, first, scrimmage, you've struggled a little bit, I mean, obviously they haven't played in a while. And then I looked out that night and she's out there playing at the top of their zone defense, just giving the division one players on the other team a hard time, and then she takes two charges, picks up a ground ball. I mean, just does what she did in basketball in that respect. And then, and then Annabella Burke, who's, you know, I don't think gets as enough credit as she she deserves she is, she is a goal scorer, left-handed, and she put one away in overtime and uh, you know she's, she's going to be one of our better players this year. And yeah, she's going to Christopher Newport to play, uh, next next year. So I you know, I think that with the seniors I think you had Kelly Weber, savannah Stallings, kaylee Stewart, and then they got a good goalie as well Riley Kane, who is a sophomore and very calm, cool and collected back there and holds it down pretty well for us. Do you think they?
Speaker 1:can make a run here. They can.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean Sprinter Park's tough. I mean we're not going to lie to ourselves. If we're playing them today, they're favored right. But I was surprised how fast we were last week when we played. I was impressed with our team speed. Some of the other kids Liesl Weiss, played a great defensive game that day, lauren Reedy, you know, and I'll fail to mention everybody, but you know I was impressed by our team speed. I think you know, as long as you know, it's going to take a great game to beat a team like Saverna Park, beat a team like Broadneck. But I think that these girls have it in them. They have a bunch of winners and when you have winners you have a chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so and we got to move on to the boys.
Speaker 4:Yep, I mean, I just heard you talking to them and they're uh, yeah, we had all the boys in here that that episode will come out next week, okay, but we had all the seniors on and uh, good, good group of guys, they are a group of seniors. Uh, you know the um I was. And you talk about having a chance when you have the best player on the field, you always have a chance, and phipps is the best player on the field whenever we go on the field. So I, you know, I always, I, you, you know Trevor's a goal scorer, you know.
Speaker 1:And then we have- Couldn't believe the amount of goals that he said. He had his freshman, sophomore, junior and then the senior year he's going to get. He's got to get 60. He has to get 60.
Speaker 4:And we got Patterson in the face-off X and Marcion scoring goals. And then again you have to have a goalie on the cross and we got one and you know Connor and and blue behind him, they, they might be two of the best goalies in the County. Connor Connor has been a stellar standout for three years and you know, I mean, you got a guy that can stop the ball. You got a chance and we have, like I said, you got the best player on the field, you got a chance. And I really think that these guys just listen to them. They're, they're good group, tight group, and I'm looking forward tomorrow night be the first time I see him in person this year against marriott's ridge and then obviously on friday against broadneck.
Speaker 1:It's a big one for us yeah, four now to start the season. Now, what do you guys think of this lacrosse team?
Speaker 2:uh, sky, keep winning.
Speaker 5:Gotta, gotta kill broadneck friday yeah, no, it's a good group of kids. I mean, a lot of them have been on varsity for years now. So, especially like he was saying, you got Trevor Phipps best player in Maryland, in my opinion you got Ben facilitating, you got Andrew Patterson winning every faceoff, you got a great goalie. I mean we can go as far as we want, as long as we stay together, and clearly they're a good group, and so I feel like we had a really good shot this year.
Speaker 4:Yeah, talk about winners too. Ben Adams is a winner and you watch him play football. You watch him. He is 100% go all the time and he's going to have a great career at Salisbury when he plays at the next level. But he's like a glue guy that just holds our team together and, like I said, winners, there are a bunch of winners and you know when, when you got those types of guys with that attitude, it, you know, I think things turn. You tilt your way towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, let's move on to.
Speaker 4:we got we got tennis with track first. All right, tried, a lot of people came out for track, right, it's like our whole school. I think it was like eight percent of our school tried out for track this year. Um, which which just makes it great because I know coach uh fountain makes it a welcoming experience. Uh, I know my daughter runs and she's not a runner but she loves being around.
Speaker 4:It keeps I think it keeps a lot of kids in some shape for their other sports that they play, but also opens the door to them to, uh, you know, see that maybe this is something that I can do. Uh, I know, I know that there was a couple of field hockey girls that did that, uh, during the uh, during the winter, and a couple of them it really excelled Uh. And then you have, you know, your, your your mainstays, like Owen Infante, charlotte Bunting, colleen Cresswell, shannon Cresswell. Those kids are that's their main sport and you can tell right, they excel at it and you know they go like Charlotte's going to Towson and then Owen's just signed with Trinity. So their opportunities at the next level are right there in front of them and I, you know it's a great group of people, great group of coaches and uh, you know it's hard. It's a hard one to talk about as far as team results and stuff, because everybody's in their individual, uh, individual aspect of it but uh, but you know when they do compete as a team right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they do, and they do a lot of invitationals and you know it's tough to keep track of team wise. It's one of those sports that you know is at the end of the year it's more team oriented than it is during the year. But you know they're going to, they're going to compete and I think we'll have a great season.
Speaker 1:You guys didn't want to go run or throw a shot put or something. Coach all made us run. Enough in basketball season.
Speaker 4:Sound good on that fair enough, all right, and then we got, we got tennis, tennis, that we're three and oh, yeah, yeah, we, I mean in our coaches, uh, leanne and leslie, they always they do a great job with our kids. Um, it's a great experience. They, they're always having fun, um, they're, they're in, they're in a spot too where they're going to. Uh, we have a number one girl, taya, that is, she's great. Uh, she's going to compete at the at the County level, state level. Uh, you know, what's great is that you have a mixed doubles teams and doubles teams where, if you go to one and I highly recommend that you do you just see the pulling for each other, and I feel like they have a great chance. Obviously, like every other sport, smyrna Park and Broadneck, crofton are all up there, but they have a chance to compete at the county and state level this year with the best of them, and I expect Leslie and Leanne to get the best out of our team.
Speaker 1:So, according to my calculations here, you take softball and baseball out of the picture and we're undefeated. Yeah, yeah we got some sports here.
Speaker 4:We do, and baseball and softball. Like I said, you play so many games Going undefeated. It's unlikely you go to a state championship game in baseball. Usually that team has four or five losses throughout the year and it's just a matter of catching fire at the right time in those sports and hopefully we can do that in May.
Speaker 1:And then I always like to mention bocce, which is a fun thing. Great, thing, I went out last. Mention Bocce, which is, which is a fun thing, great thing.
Speaker 4:I went out last I think it was uh last Wednesday or last Thursday and I actually practiced with them, rolled, rolled the ball around with them a little bit. Uh, it's just a great group of kids. Um, they that we have our. What's cool is their first to senior night and they're going to be having their match out by down by the flagpole. The girls jv lacrosse is going to be playing at the same time and then senior it will roll right to senior night. So we'll get uh, those, they'll get the opportunity to hear the music play and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4:Um, mr goodwin is coaching the team and it's a perfect, uh, perfect, you know, arrangement for him and and he loves it. And I, I know I was with Wiley, one of our, uh, one of our athletes the other day. And Mr Goodwin, he has a English accent, he's like boy, he's funny, you know, and and that that's you know, that's all that's what it's for, you know, and, and I think you know, we don't, we're not based on results here. Some schools base themselves on results in bocce and unified bowling and tennis.
Speaker 1:We, we are not we're just having a good time we're having a good time.
Speaker 4:If we win, great. If we lose, that's fine. Uh, we just want to have our kids have a great experience outstanding.
Speaker 1:So that's our spring sports. Now I got to get into something here. We're in. We're in ncaa season right now. We got lots of basketball. We had a little contest last week with coach civic. I do have the results for all those who are wondering. So let me run down the results very quickly. I'll be honest with you. I was in last place. I had 19 points and I'm done. I'm done. Coach Zivic had 21 points, but still has Houston. But I can tell you right now he's not going to catch our winner. In third place, jaden came up with 39 points and is done. And in first place you took it by one point 44. Done, one point, bro, old mess.
Speaker 2:I think was the team. You will see Sean Pabuela, he's the man he is, the man Never put my trust in you, Ash.
Speaker 5:what are we talking about today, fellas? I want to talk about these matchups.
Speaker 2:These were some great games over the weekend. Walter Clayton Jr from Florida. He's got some ice in his veins. He is clutch, he's a dog.
Speaker 4:Definitely has a little Steph Curry in him.
Speaker 1:Yes, he does. So what are we thinking here?
Speaker 2:Final four I mean, I think we can all agree the clear-cut favorite is Duke. I mean, they're incredible.
Speaker 4:I think Duke and Florida are on a collision course, philly.
Speaker 5:Duke, like turnover issues, can't make a shot and they still win by 20 for Alabama. It's ridiculous, it's stupid, it's insane. They have four or five stars on their bench. Coach is great.
Speaker 2:They got flag.
Speaker 5:They got flag. I mean, they have Isaiah Evans coming off the bench, which is insane. Somehow I don't see anybody even.
Speaker 1:So we're saying clear-cut winner over Houston is Duke.
Speaker 2:I will say, houston's defense does impress me a lot.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they held their opponents an average of 51.2 points per game this year out of all the games, so I feel like I mean that was the lowest in the whole tournament.
Speaker 1:Now wait a minute. Are we going to give any seniority love to Houston? Houston has a coach who won his first NCAA game before the Duke coach was even born.
Speaker 4:I think that's right, Cooper flag man, houston's defense is tough, but I think Duke's defense. That's the reason they've made it this far. They usually bow out a little earlier because they're all about the three ball, not playing defense, and they can lock you down. The one big player I like, guy Gillis from Purdue that transferred to Duke. Big player I like gillis from purdue that that transferred to duke. Uh, I think he gives them a little bit of uh like leadership and you know they're not just based on the freshmen. Uh, yeah, I like. I don't like duke, but I like the way they play.
Speaker 5:They play tough I think, yeah, I think. Also, I see a lot of comparison to the team with zion williamson, rj barrett, uh, cam reddish. With those guys, though, it's kind of like there's three of them, of course, and they were stacked. They were phenomenal. Zion was phenomenal, they were great, but when Cam Reddish was off, they really couldn't shoot the three ball. I feel like you got Conn Knipple, isaiah Evans coming off the bench, tyrese Proctor is on the roll. So it's kind of just like if Cooper's not on, then he's on and then he's on. It's like a five-headed goat. You can't chop off all the heads, man. It's like it's impossible. Honestly, it's impossible to guard them. So if you're playing them, you're going to need to be hitting all your shots and you're going to play.
Speaker 2:We haven't talked about. I know your your personal favorite Sorry if he's less saying, I don't know how to pronounce his name Johnny broom. I know you're a big fan of him. I am a big fan, but I mean, towards the end of that game you could see a little issue with his arm.
Speaker 1:And he plays for Auburn's going to beat Florida.
Speaker 5:I mean, they're old, one dude's, real old, so he should have his experience.
Speaker 1:I like old teams.
Speaker 5:I like Tahad too. I have Auburn going to the finals with Duke, but Tahad's really good. I like Tahad off the bench.
Speaker 1:So we're split here Auburn and Florida.
Speaker 4:I like Florida, but Florida, florida. Auburn.
Speaker 5:Auburn.
Speaker 1:And then are we all taking Duke, is that it?
Speaker 5:Duke's just going to win it. Duke's going to win it. I can't, we can't all take Duke. I'm sorry, it's just impossible.
Speaker 1:I want to say Auburn, but I don't think I can do it.
Speaker 5:I hate taking the favorite, but it's just obvious. If they lose I'll be so shocked I'll put my whole, so all of OCTOC is going with Duke.
Speaker 1:Yeah, slam the door.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:That's it, folks.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean speaking of favorites. This is the second time ever for whoever didn't know, all one seeds have made the Final Four. The only time that ever has happened is in 2008. The Phillies won the World Series in 2008.
Speaker 1:So now we're bringing it back to base amount, ain't?
Speaker 5:somebody's back Yep, that's a crazy stat. That's a crazy stat, yep.
Speaker 1:That is a crazy stat.
Speaker 4:The big thing, I think that on this tournament too, is the lack of upsets, and I think that NIL has played a big part of that.
Speaker 1:Ah, don't get me started on this now.
Speaker 4:We can get into this right now, like you got Jacoby gillespie uh, you know who's a great player for maryland already transferred, but he's, you know, like he's already. He was where was he? At belmont last year, and belmont used to be the team that beat the the the 13th.
Speaker 1:They used to be on the 14th you heard a lot of belmont players on other teams in the tournament and that's why a team like belmont is not gonna not gonna exist anymore yep, and that's.
Speaker 4:That's the. That's the problem with the NIL. As far as tournament goes, I think you know you saw like this weekend it was one versus two, one versus two, one versus two, one versus three, very boring, and you know, hopefully it creates the games yesterday weren't great, but you know, hopefully it creates good Final Four games, but it's just disappointing in our early rounds. You want to see upsets yeah, at least a couple, but we didn't see that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I feel like the nil stuff is just like it's wild, because I've heard about some of it with the college and recruiting and stuff. Yeah, I was talking to this one coach and he was at sam houston for football. Yeah, um, he had players on his team, he wanted to keep and they stayed for a year, but at some point there's a million dollars thrown in their face and these weren't like first round picks. He's just guys, how do you turn it down? How you turn out a million dollars with an 18 year old, 19 year old kid.
Speaker 5:So it's hard, it's definitely hard for them. I feel like this money's kind of taking over the game. It's kind of high school's becoming college. College is becoming the professionals and professionals is becoming its own brand new thing. So it's, it's a lot. It's definitely a lot.
Speaker 2:One thing I hate about the N I hate, I despise it is um. I mean we have three Nittany Lions fans here, so we know Pabuela left before the season even ended. Same with Pippen's kid with Michigan. I mean leaving before, before you still had a chance to win it all, and you're you're entering the portal yeah, that was uh ridiculous.
Speaker 4:Creating chaos, yeah, definitely disappointment when you know it creates a me culture. Uh, and that's that's a tough part about it is that you know you're trying to build stuff, but you know you can't blame the kids either, because it's just a system that they're you know the system that they're given and when somebody is is waving that money in your face that you've never seen it's life changing money. Yeah, and uh, you know you gotta sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do in that case.
Speaker 1:Sure, would be nice to be a senior or junior is a pretty good basketball or football player, absolutely.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:And the other.
Speaker 4:Thing is the other part I don't like about it is it's. It's. It's really hurting high school athletes. Uh, you know, if you're good, you're gonna like, if you're one of the top kids and but like you're gonna get, you're gonna get the love. You're gonna get what you always got when the recruiting aspect of it, plus the money. But it creates the the ability for the college coach to go poach from other teams that are in college already, a kid that's been in the college weight room versus a kid that hasn't been yet and it's you know. You even see it down at the Division II level and you know Frostburg, with Sonberg going from Lafayette to Frostburg, and you know they're looking for those types of kids at the Division II level as opposed to possibly looking for the next high school kid, which hurts those guys. Now, kids like Jaden, they're going to find their way because they're good, I mean, and that that coaches want them. Kids that are, you know, like your borderline kid they might have trouble yeah.
Speaker 5:So the the portal, definitely it's kind of it's. It's just a trickle effect now because you got kids like that could come out of high school and maybe get developed and play division one basketball, but now they're getting pushed on the d2, d3. So once now they turn into juniors and seniors, now they're the ones getting pushed into d1 and it's a reset for the kids in high school that are on the crisp too. So it kind of just keeps trickling. It should keep getting worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 5:And I'll start into this one coach and they look at maybe five for basketball, make it. They look at maybe like two kids for scholarship max a year. Just even look at and they go straight. Some just go straight to the portal like they don't even look at high school anymore, which is crazy. But I mean the coaches getting paid to win now and if their jobs are on the line, they got one now. So of course they're gonna throw money at these 23 year olds that have had the college experience, like he said, weight room, the classes you know he's, he's like his character's good and bad.
Speaker 1:Now the flip side of this it could get a lot harder too, because my prediction is that it's going to become less and less Division I teams. We already saw St Francis is dropping down to Division III, I think, because they just can't put the money in. That it's going to take, and now you might have even less spots and who knows, maybe the real basketball is going to be played at Division III, right.
Speaker 2:Honestly, when did they implicate the rule? I know it used to be once you entered the transfer portal you had to wait a year, correct? And I mean I'm all for the transfer portal. People like Joe Burrow they really took. I mean they definitely used it and it definitely worked. I mean look at Burrow.
Speaker 4:But I think I would like to see that rule come back where you have to almost say, wait a year, there's a penalty to something. Yeah, there's got to be some sort of deterrent to just, you know, keep transferring and transferring and transferring. You know, like I said, I don't blame the kids that are doing it now, it's a system, it is what it is. But like you look at university of maryland now with with their coach leaving for villanova, they don't have, they don't have a roster. No, like you think about a coach, they don't have a roster. Whoever, whoever comes in is going to most likely bring in their guys from their old school.
Speaker 4:Which is it it creates? What I don't? What I think it creates is it creates a bunch of teams and not programs. It's it's almost impossible to build a program anymore because you're constantly building a year to year team. It's it has like free agency and and and professional sports, but different because it's every year you have to recruit your own, to keep your own, plus go out on, go out on the, at least in professional sports. You're signing guys the four and five years and you have a plan. There's no plan now. It's year to year. Totally I agree.
Speaker 1:Enjoy your high school experience. It's rough out here man, it's rough out there. It was real rough. All right, guys, I can't wait to hear what next week's topic's going to be. I'm already ready.
Speaker 5:No, you're already ready. I'm already ready. Now we're dialed.
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